Where is Oracle’s Grid ?

[Database Administrator]

Hello,

It’s curious but I can’t find any word about Grid in documentation
of just appeared 10g OAS. Probably, the same situation will be
with upcoming 10g database.
May I make conclusion that Oracle 10g Grid is only marketing hype ?
I think that Oracle’s Grid means a big RAC (former OPS).
--
SL

[Database Administrator]

sal wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It’s curious but I can’t find any word about Grid in documentation
> of just appeared 10g OAS. Probably, the same situation will be
> with upcoming 10g database.
> May I make conclusion that Oracle 10g Grid is only marketing hype ?
> I think that Oracle’s Grid means a big RAC (former OPS).
> --
> SL

You can conclude anything you wish but I have been testing 10g for
months and I have reason to believe you would be incorrect. Of course
Grid is an extension of RAC. And of course the name has changed. It
allows the person at Oracle that is VP of Product Renaming something to
do. But there is more to Grid than just that name change.

Exactly what is it you expected on an unreleased product?

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...ad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...oa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

[Database Administrator]

sal wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It’s curious but I can’t find any word about Grid in documentation
> of just appeared 10g OAS. Probably, the same situation will be
> with upcoming 10g database.
> May I make conclusion that Oracle 10g Grid is only marketing hype ?
> I think that Oracle’s Grid means a big RAC (former OPS).
> --
> SL

You can conclude anything you wish but I have been testing 10g for
months and I have reason to believe you would be incorrect. Of course
Grid is an extension of RAC. And of course the name has changed. It
allows the person at Oracle that is VP of Product Renaming something to
do. But there is more to Grid than just that name change.

Exactly what is it you expected on an unreleased product?

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...ad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...oa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

[Database Administrator]

sal wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It’s curious but I can’t find any word about Grid in documentation
> of just appeared 10g OAS. Probably, the same situation will be
> with upcoming 10g database.
> May I make conclusion that Oracle 10g Grid is only marketing hype ?
> I think that Oracle’s Grid means a big RAC (former OPS).
> --
> SL

You can conclude anything you wish but I have been testing 10g for
months and I have reason to believe you would be incorrect. Of course
Grid is an extension of RAC. And of course the name has changed. It
allows the person at Oracle that is VP of Product Renaming something to
do. But there is more to Grid than just that name change.

Exactly what is it you expected on an unreleased product?

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...ad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...oa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

[Database Administrator]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:54:39 -0800, sal wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It’s curious but I can’t find any word about Grid in
> documentation of just appeared 10g OAS. Probably, the same situation
> will be with upcoming 10g database.
> May I make conclusion that Oracle 10g Grid is only marketing hype ? I
> think that Oracle’s Grid means a big RAC (former OPS).

Oracle 10g is delayed for several reasons and the most important ones are
that the product is buggy and that oraclites and their buddies need large
enough advantage so that they can start selling their consulting skills as
soon as the product is out, in contrast to other, less privileged, people
who will have to wait. It's actually a brazen scheme to make more money
from the consulting at the expense of those of us who have been spreading
the word so far. That wouldn't be the first or the most spectacular
attempt by oracle to screw up (I'm not a native English speaker, so I beg
you pardon for my French) its own customers. One only needs to think of
PeopleSoft and Siebel Systems. Why would they be any nicer or more fair to
the rest of us? I can only advise you to switch to DB2, which is what I
fully intend to do. As for oracle 10g, you can expect some more marketing
buzzwords, some white papers on OTN or articles which will tell you that
10g is the best thing since the sliced bread. You'll see 10g when the
books are written, presentations are made and "gurus" and "masters" have
large enough advantage that the rest of us cannot compete. If you're not
blessed by good connections with Oracle, you'll get @#$$%. The product
will not be any less buggy, the coding is done elsewhere, where the
technological knowledge is equivalent to the one in the US but the
technological discipline is not, which means that the quality of the code
itself will necessarily deteriorate. That means more bugs and less
reliable code. In order to implement those wonderful new features, they'd
like you to pay for the training and consulting and not learn them
yourself. That is why the software is not out and that is why the people
who are testing it have signed non-disclosure agreements with Oracle. If
you don't have to use oracle, then don't. I believe that PostgresSQL,
MySQL and DB/2 can provide more then adequate replacement. Oracle is
becoming more and more like DEC. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that they'll go
the same way. I experienced that myself, because I was, at one time, a VMS
tuning specialist, and was teaching courses on internals of VMS. I advised
my employer to buy new, MIPS R4000 based DECSystem machines with Ultrix.
When the DEC came out with Alpha, approximately a year after that, and told
us that no trade in policy will be instituted, that Ultrix will not be
supported any longer and that we can, essentially, forget about $150,000
that we paid for DECSystem 5500, I had to look for another job. Needless
to say, I don't ever want to use anything from DEC. DEC deserved what has
happened to them. So will Oracle. Abandon the ship while you can. Handling
of the 10g release proves beyond reasonable doubt that they've lost it.

--
None of us is as dumb as all of us.
(http://www.despair.com/meetings.html)

[Database Administrator]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:54:39 -0800, sal wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It’s curious but I can’t find any word about Grid in
> documentation of just appeared 10g OAS. Probably, the same situation
> will be with upcoming 10g database.
> May I make conclusion that Oracle 10g Grid is only marketing hype ? I
> think that Oracle’s Grid means a big RAC (former OPS).

Oracle 10g is delayed for several reasons and the most important ones are
that the product is buggy and that oraclites and their buddies need large
enough advantage so that they can start selling their consulting skills as
soon as the product is out, in contrast to other, less privileged, people
who will have to wait. It's actually a brazen scheme to make more money
from the consulting at the expense of those of us who have been spreading
the word so far. That wouldn't be the first or the most spectacular
attempt by oracle to screw up (I'm not a native English speaker, so I beg
you pardon for my French) its own customers. One only needs to think of
PeopleSoft and Siebel Systems. Why would they be any nicer or more fair to
the rest of us? I can only advise you to switch to DB2, which is what I
fully intend to do. As for oracle 10g, you can expect some more marketing
buzzwords, some white papers on OTN or articles which will tell you that
10g is the best thing since the sliced bread. You'll see 10g when the
books are written, presentations are made and "gurus" and "masters" have
large enough advantage that the rest of us cannot compete. If you're not
blessed by good connections with Oracle, you'll get @#$$%. The product
will not be any less buggy, the coding is done elsewhere, where the
technological knowledge is equivalent to the one in the US but the
technological discipline is not, which means that the quality of the code
itself will necessarily deteriorate. That means more bugs and less
reliable code. In order to implement those wonderful new features, they'd
like you to pay for the training and consulting and not learn them
yourself. That is why the software is not out and that is why the people
who are testing it have signed non-disclosure agreements with Oracle. If
you don't have to use oracle, then don't. I believe that PostgresSQL,
MySQL and DB/2 can provide more then adequate replacement. Oracle is
becoming more and more like DEC. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that they'll go
the same way. I experienced that myself, because I was, at one time, a VMS
tuning specialist, and was teaching courses on internals of VMS. I advised
my employer to buy new, MIPS R4000 based DECSystem machines with Ultrix.
When the DEC came out with Alpha, approximately a year after that, and told
us that no trade in policy will be instituted, that Ultrix will not be
supported any longer and that we can, essentially, forget about $150,000
that we paid for DECSystem 5500, I had to look for another job. Needless
to say, I don't ever want to use anything from DEC. DEC deserved what has
happened to them. So will Oracle. Abandon the ship while you can. Handling
of the 10g release proves beyond reasonable doubt that they've lost it.

--
None of us is as dumb as all of us.
(http://www.despair.com/meetings.html)

[Database Administrator]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:54:39 -0800, sal wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It’s curious but I can’t find any word about Grid in
> documentation of just appeared 10g OAS. Probably, the same situation
> will be with upcoming 10g database.
> May I make conclusion that Oracle 10g Grid is only marketing hype ? I
> think that Oracle’s Grid means a big RAC (former OPS).

Oracle 10g is delayed for several reasons and the most important ones are
that the product is buggy and that oraclites and their buddies need large
enough advantage so that they can start selling their consulting skills as
soon as the product is out, in contrast to other, less privileged, people
who will have to wait. It's actually a brazen scheme to make more money
from the consulting at the expense of those of us who have been spreading
the word so far. That wouldn't be the first or the most spectacular
attempt by oracle to screw up (I'm not a native English speaker, so I beg
you pardon for my French) its own customers. One only needs to think of
PeopleSoft and Siebel Systems. Why would they be any nicer or more fair to
the rest of us? I can only advise you to switch to DB2, which is what I
fully intend to do. As for oracle 10g, you can expect some more marketing
buzzwords, some white papers on OTN or articles which will tell you that
10g is the best thing since the sliced bread. You'll see 10g when the
books are written, presentations are made and "gurus" and "masters" have
large enough advantage that the rest of us cannot compete. If you're not
blessed by good connections with Oracle, you'll get @#$$%. The product
will not be any less buggy, the coding is done elsewhere, where the
technological knowledge is equivalent to the one in the US but the
technological discipline is not, which means that the quality of the code
itself will necessarily deteriorate. That means more bugs and less
reliable code. In order to implement those wonderful new features, they'd
like you to pay for the training and consulting and not learn them
yourself. That is why the software is not out and that is why the people
who are testing it have signed non-disclosure agreements with Oracle. If
you don't have to use oracle, then don't. I believe that PostgresSQL,
MySQL and DB/2 can provide more then adequate replacement. Oracle is
becoming more and more like DEC. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that they'll go
the same way. I experienced that myself, because I was, at one time, a VMS
tuning specialist, and was teaching courses on internals of VMS. I advised
my employer to buy new, MIPS R4000 based DECSystem machines with Ultrix.
When the DEC came out with Alpha, approximately a year after that, and told
us that no trade in policy will be instituted, that Ultrix will not be
supported any longer and that we can, essentially, forget about $150,000
that we paid for DECSystem 5500, I had to look for another job. Needless
to say, I don't ever want to use anything from DEC. DEC deserved what has
happened to them. So will Oracle. Abandon the ship while you can. Handling
of the 10g release proves beyond reasonable doubt that they've lost it.

--
None of us is as dumb as all of us.
(http://www.despair.com/meetings.html)

[Database Administrator]

Mladen Gogala wrote in message news:...

> yourself. That is why the software is not out and that is why the people
> who are testing it have signed non-disclosure agreements with Oracle. If

Thank you,
I see now why beta-testers can't say nothing specific.
BTW, it's strange but seems that 10g OAS was removed from otn.
--
SL

[Database Administrator]

Mladen Gogala wrote in message news:...

> yourself. That is why the software is not out and that is why the people
> who are testing it have signed non-disclosure agreements with Oracle. If

Thank you,
I see now why beta-testers can't say nothing specific.
BTW, it's strange but seems that 10g OAS was removed from otn.
--
SL

[Database Administrator]

Mladen Gogala wrote in message news:...

> yourself. That is why the software is not out and that is why the people
> who are testing it have signed non-disclosure agreements with Oracle. If

Thank you,
I see now why beta-testers can't say nothing specific.
BTW, it's strange but seems that 10g OAS was removed from otn.
--
SL