Background noise

[Database Administrator]

Hi,
On a PC I have an FM9 DB, with a table having a container field in which I
want to have a spoken sentence. When clicking twice on it, I get a recorder
windows appearing which permits me with a microphone to register my
sentence. I have Quicktime intalled.
But when I call for it I get a terrible roaring in the background while my
sentence is spoken out.
While doing the same with the pure Windows sound recorder, the sound is
correct.
I figure there should be some tunings to make but which ones ? All trials I
made were unsuccessful.
Could you help me ?
Many thanks.
Remi-Noel

[Database Administrator]

"Remi-Noel Menegaux" wrote in message
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> Hi,
> On a PC I have an FM9 DB, with a table having a container field in which I
> want to have a spoken sentence. When clicking twice on it, I get a
recorder
> windows appearing which permits me with a microphone to register my
> sentence. I have Quicktime intalled.
> But when I call for it I get a terrible roaring in the background while my
> sentence is spoken out.
> While doing the same with the pure Windows sound recorder, the sound is
> correct.
> I figure there should be some tunings to make but which ones ? All trials
I
> made were unsuccessful.
> Could you help me ?
> Many thanks.
> Remi-Noel

The "roaring" is possibly something like the fan on your computer. Maybe the
Windows Sound Recorder is removing / dampening that noise while QuickTime is
simply recording everything. I'm not sure how you could get around it, other
than recording in Windows Sound Recorder, saving the file and then Importing
that into the Container Field.

Helpful Harry
Still stuck on a s-l-o-w Windows computer thanks to an hopeless Internet
provider who doesn't listen. (

[Database Administrator]

Remi-Noel

I can't offer a solution, but it looks like FMP has some influence on the
recording. Although how I don't know. But here is what I thought. When
recording through an embedded container, the file is inside your solution. I
think it would be better the store them outside FMP and use a referenced
calculation.

keep well Ursus


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>
> "Remi-Noel Menegaux" wrote in message
> news:490ef781$0$29405$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>> Hi,
>> On a PC I have an FM9 DB, with a table having a container field in which
>> I
>> want to have a spoken sentence. When clicking twice on it, I get a
> recorder
>> windows appearing which permits me with a microphone to register my
>> sentence. I have Quicktime intalled.
>> But when I call for it I get a terrible roaring in the background while
>> my
>> sentence is spoken out.
>> While doing the same with the pure Windows sound recorder, the sound is
>> correct.
>> I figure there should be some tunings to make but which ones ? All trials
> I
>> made were unsuccessful.
>> Could you help me ?
>> Many thanks.
>> Remi-Noel
>
> The "roaring" is possibly something like the fan on your computer. Maybe
> the
> Windows Sound Recorder is removing / dampening that noise while QuickTime
> is
> simply recording everything. I'm not sure how you could get around it,
> other
> than recording in Windows Sound Recorder, saving the file and then
> Importing
> that into the Container Field.
>
> Helpful Harry
> Still stuck on a s-l-o-w Windows computer thanks to an hopeless Internet
> provider who doesn't listen. (
>
>

[Database Administrator]

Thanks, Harry and Ursus for your suggestions.

Harry,
Before I posted, I tried on many computers and systems and by others persons
too. So I don't think it is the proximity of the computer fan that causes
that. Importing from a file maybe a good idea worth trying but I'll have to
script and maybe use a plugin to do that as it has to be used by average
persons.

For both,
In fact my application (developed by a terrifically skilled friend in FM7-9
in England) is a 'free' one we give to handicapped persons who cannot speak
out themselves. They pickup and choose a prepared written sentence (or a
'pictogram') which action thus makes the spoken phrase (prepared by an
assistant) out loudly.

Ursus,
Yes your suggestion of having an extra folder of prerecorded sound files
could be the answer, but here again we'll have to make it handy to adapt to
any situation.
Thanks again to both of you.
Any other suggestions or practical work around are welcome.
Remi-Noel

In addition,
As I was pretty desperate (and in a hurry) I cross-posted my question to the
FM Expert list and funny enough (if I may say so...) is that other
participants put messages as making run a FM recorded sound made the FM to
crash ! One answerer said the following :
Quote
I found a similar problem documented elsewhere after a Google search.
Basically the workaround is to add at least 1 frame of video to the QT
(QuickTime) file and it works. If your file is strictly and audio
file ->CRASH, but the moment you add at least a 1 frame of video, the
problem is resolved. I will email FM Inc., even though the poster of the
blog I came across already did so when he encountered this problem in
version 7.
Rick Dwyer
Unquote

"Your Name" said :
The "roaring" is possibly something like the fan on your computer. Maybe the
Windows Sound Recorder is removing / dampening that noise while QuickTime is
simply recording everything. I'm not sure how you could get around it, other
than recording in Windows Sound Recorder, saving the file and then Importing
that into the Container Field.
Helpful Harry

"Ursus" a écrit dans le message de
news:490ef781$0$29405$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> Remi-Noel
> I can't offer a solution, but it looks like FMP has some influence on the
> recording. Although how I don't know. But here is what I thought. When
> recording through an embedded container, the file is inside your solution.
> I think it would be better the store them outside FMP and use a referenced
> calculation.
> keep well Ursus
>
>> "Remi-Noel Menegaux" wrote in message
>> news:490ef781$0$29405$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>>> Hi,
>>> On a PC I have an FM9 DB, with a table having a container field in which
>>> I
>>> want to have a spoken sentence. When clicking twice on it, I get a
>> recorder
>>> windows appearing which permits me with a microphone to register my
>>> sentence. I have Quicktime intalled.
>>> But when I call for it I get a terrible roaring in the background while
>>> my
>>> sentence is spoken out.
>>> While doing the same with the pure Windows sound recorder, the sound is
>>> correct.
>>> I figure there should be some tunings to make but which ones ? All
>>> trials
>> I
>>> made were unsuccessful.
>>> Could you help me ?
>>> Many thanks.
>>> Remi-Noel

[Database Administrator]

"Remi-Noel Menegaux" wrote in message
news:490ffba9$0$1484$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> Thanks, Harry and Ursus for your suggestions.
>
> Harry,
> Before I posted, I tried on many computers and systems and by others
persons
> too. So I don't think it is the proximity of the computer fan that causes
> that. Importing from a file maybe a good idea worth trying but I'll have
to
> script and maybe use a plugin to do that as it has to be used by average
> persons.

The fan was really only one example. Another one could simply be the air
moving past the microphone itself (even when you can't feel anything), or
electrical interference from the computer / monitor or something else
nearby. If it's not always there, it could be someone using power tools or
radio controlled toys in a nearby area, etc.

Helpful Harry
Now told it will take 4 to 8 days for the Internet provider to fix my Mac's
connection problem ... assuming they are even looking in the correct place.
xo(

[Database Administrator]

Thanks, Harry, for your answer.
In my particular case I am a very quiet environment. Anyway as that DB will
be largely diffused to many unknown average users, the 'Phrases' have to be
set locally, in a way I can't manage, except issuing recommandations.
The best (but still unsufficient) I found for the moment are :
- use an external microphone (imbeded ones were desatrous as the microphone
seems on portable PCs to be placed very close to the hard disk, thus ... it
gets all its spinning noise).
- adjust the sound parameters : go to Control Panel / sound / Microphone /
levels / 'Microphone' put to 50% and the 'amplification microphone' to 10
dB.
If ever, one has other ideas...
Thank for the attention.
Remi-Noel


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>
> "Remi-Noel Menegaux" wrote in message
> news:490ffba9$0$1484$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>> Thanks, Harry and Ursus for your suggestions.
>>
>> Harry,
>> Before I posted, I tried on many computers and systems and by others
> persons
>> too. So I don't think it is the proximity of the computer fan that causes
>> that. Importing from a file maybe a good idea worth trying but I'll have
> to
>> script and maybe use a plugin to do that as it has to be used by average
>> persons.
>
> The fan was really only one example. Another one could simply be the air
> moving past the microphone itself (even when you can't feel anything), or
> electrical interference from the computer / monitor or something else
> nearby. If it's not always there, it could be someone using power tools or
> radio controlled toys in a nearby area, etc.
>
> Helpful Harry
> Now told it will take 4 to 8 days for the Internet provider to fix my
> Mac's
> connection problem ... assuming they are even looking in the correct
> place.
> xo(
>
>

[Database Administrator]

I have found something that works on windows.

On a proper recording device record whatever you need. Save it as wav on
your hard disk

Open your fmp solution. Create a container field on a layout.
Rightclick inside the field and select insert object
A new window appears with a list of registered objects. Scroll down and
select wave-sound
Click ok.
The sound-object window appears. Select edit (the second menu-item) and
below that select: insert file (fourth item)
A new window opens, find and select the wav file and click open. The wav
file gets imported in the filemaker container. It takes a little with a
small file, somewhat longer with a large file
Close the sound-object window. You will now see a loadspeaker icon in the
container field.

To activate the sound file you can create a simple script.

goto field < select/perform ; MyContainer >

The field has to be on every layout where you need the sound file. So you
have to lock it, otherwise the user canb delete its contents.

Keep well, Ursus

"Remi-Noel Menegaux" schreef in bericht
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> Thanks, Harry, for your answer.
> In my particular case I am a very quiet environment. Anyway as that DB
> will be largely diffused to many unknown average users, the 'Phrases' have
> to be set locally, in a way I can't manage, except issuing
> recommandations.
> The best (but still unsufficient) I found for the moment are :
> - use an external microphone (imbeded ones were desatrous as the
> microphone seems on portable PCs to be placed very close to the hard disk,
> thus ... it gets all its spinning noise).
> - adjust the sound parameters : go to Control Panel / sound / Microphone /
> levels / 'Microphone' put to 50% and the 'amplification microphone' to 10
> dB.
> If ever, one has other ideas...
> Thank for the attention.
> Remi-Noel
>
>
> "Your Name" a écrit dans le message de
> news:geqa83$35m$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>
>> "Remi-Noel Menegaux" wrote in message
>> news:490ffba9$0$1484$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>>> Thanks, Harry and Ursus for your suggestions.
>>>
>>> Harry,
>>> Before I posted, I tried on many computers and systems and by others
>> persons
>>> too. So I don't think it is the proximity of the computer fan that
>>> causes
>>> that. Importing from a file maybe a good idea worth trying but I'll have
>> to
>>> script and maybe use a plugin to do that as it has to be used by average
>>> persons.
>>
>> The fan was really only one example. Another one could simply be the air
>> moving past the microphone itself (even when you can't feel anything), or
>> electrical interference from the computer / monitor or something else
>> nearby. If it's not always there, it could be someone using power tools
>> or
>> radio controlled toys in a nearby area, etc.
>>
>> Helpful Harry
>> Now told it will take 4 to 8 days for the Internet provider to fix my
>> Mac's
>> connection problem ... assuming they are even looking in the correct
>> place.
>> xo(
>>
>>
>

[Database Administrator]

PS you can delete the wav file when done


"Ursus" schreef in bericht
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>I have found something that works on windows.
>
> On a proper recording device record whatever you need. Save it as wav on
> your hard disk
>
> Open your fmp solution. Create a container field on a layout.
> Rightclick inside the field and select insert object
> A new window appears with a list of registered objects. Scroll down and
> select wave-sound
> Click ok.
> The sound-object window appears. Select edit (the second menu-item) and
> below that select: insert file (fourth item)
> A new window opens, find and select the wav file and click open. The wav
> file gets imported in the filemaker container. It takes a little with a
> small file, somewhat longer with a large file
> Close the sound-object window. You will now see a loadspeaker icon in the
> container field.
>
> To activate the sound file you can create a simple script.
>
> goto field < select/perform ; MyContainer >
>
> The field has to be on every layout where you need the sound file. So you
> have to lock it, otherwise the user canb delete its contents.
>
> Keep well, Ursus
>
> "Remi-Noel Menegaux" schreef in bericht
> news:491158c8$0$23888$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>> Thanks, Harry, for your answer.
>> In my particular case I am a very quiet environment. Anyway as that DB
>> will be largely diffused to many unknown average users, the 'Phrases'
>> have to be set locally, in a way I can't manage, except issuing
>> recommandations.
>> The best (but still unsufficient) I found for the moment are :
>> - use an external microphone (imbeded ones were desatrous as the
>> microphone seems on portable PCs to be placed very close to the hard
>> disk, thus ... it gets all its spinning noise).
>> - adjust the sound parameters : go to Control Panel / sound / Microphone
>> / levels / 'Microphone' put to 50% and the 'amplification microphone' to
>> 10 dB.
>> If ever, one has other ideas...
>> Thank for the attention.
>> Remi-Noel
>>
>>
>> "Your Name" a écrit dans le message de
>> news:geqa83$35m$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>
>>> "Remi-Noel Menegaux" wrote in message
>>> news:490ffba9$0$1484$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>>>> Thanks, Harry and Ursus for your suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Harry,
>>>> Before I posted, I tried on many computers and systems and by others
>>> persons
>>>> too. So I don't think it is the proximity of the computer fan that
>>>> causes
>>>> that. Importing from a file maybe a good idea worth trying but I'll
>>>> have
>>> to
>>>> script and maybe use a plugin to do that as it has to be used by
>>>> average
>>>> persons.
>>>
>>> The fan was really only one example. Another one could simply be the air
>>> moving past the microphone itself (even when you can't feel anything),
>>> or
>>> electrical interference from the computer / monitor or something else
>>> nearby. If it's not always there, it could be someone using power tools
>>> or
>>> radio controlled toys in a nearby area, etc.
>>>
>>> Helpful Harry
>>> Now told it will take 4 to 8 days for the Internet provider to fix my
>>> Mac's
>>> connection problem ... assuming they are even looking in the correct
>>> place.
>>> xo(
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Database Administrator]

Ursus, I DO thank you for that suggestion that certainly make it worth being
tried extensively. I'll do it.
I think I also have to pursue a trial with the Troi File plugin, as I am a
bit concerned with the actual practicality for an 'Admin' person - a
hospital nurse or a benevolent person who is close to the handicapped
person, but most probably not especially skilled in complex (for him/her)
manipulations -. But maybe I could simply use a bunch of prerecorded
'pictograms' and pour it the way you described into the proper container
field of the proper record (ie a sentence to be pronounced loudly). That'
certainly is worth exploring seriously.
Thanks again for your most valuable input.
Remi-Noël


"Ursus" a écrit dans le message de
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> PS you can delete the wav file when done
>
>
> "Ursus" schreef in bericht
> news:8807$4911f06f$5ed017f3$6798@cache2.tilbu1.nb. home.nl...
>>I have found something that works on windows.
>>
>> On a proper recording device record whatever you need. Save it as wav on
>> your hard disk
>>
>> Open your fmp solution. Create a container field on a layout.
>> Rightclick inside the field and select insert object
>> A new window appears with a list of registered objects. Scroll down and
>> select wave-sound
>> Click ok.
>> The sound-object window appears. Select edit (the second menu-item) and
>> below that select: insert file (fourth item)
>> A new window opens, find and select the wav file and click open. The wav
>> file gets imported in the filemaker container. It takes a little with a
>> small file, somewhat longer with a large file
>> Close the sound-object window. You will now see a loadspeaker icon in the
>> container field.
>>
>> To activate the sound file you can create a simple script.
>>
>> goto field < select/perform ; MyContainer >
>>
>> The field has to be on every layout where you need the sound file. So you
>> have to lock it, otherwise the user canb delete its contents.
>>
>> Keep well, Ursus
>>
>> "Remi-Noel Menegaux" schreef in bericht
>> news:491158c8$0$23888$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>>> Thanks, Harry, for your answer.
>>> In my particular case I am a very quiet environment. Anyway as that DB
>>> will be largely diffused to many unknown average users, the 'Phrases'
>>> have to be set locally, in a way I can't manage, except issuing
>>> recommandations.
>>> The best (but still unsufficient) I found for the moment are :
>>> - use an external microphone (imbeded ones were desatrous as the
>>> microphone seems on portable PCs to be placed very close to the hard
>>> disk, thus ... it gets all its spinning noise).
>>> - adjust the sound parameters : go to Control Panel / sound / Microphone
>>> / levels / 'Microphone' put to 50% and the 'amplification microphone' to
>>> 10 dB.
>>> If ever, one has other ideas...
>>> Thank for the attention.
>>> Remi-Noel
>>>
>>>
>>> "Your Name" a écrit dans le message de
>>> news:geqa83$35m$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>
>>>> "Remi-Noel Menegaux" wrote in message
>>>> news:490ffba9$0$1484$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>>>>> Thanks, Harry and Ursus for your suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Harry,
>>>>> Before I posted, I tried on many computers and systems and by others
>>>> persons
>>>>> too. So I don't think it is the proximity of the computer fan that
>>>>> causes
>>>>> that. Importing from a file maybe a good idea worth trying but I'll
>>>>> have
>>>> to
>>>>> script and maybe use a plugin to do that as it has to be used by
>>>>> average
>>>>> persons.
>>>>
>>>> The fan was really only one example. Another one could simply be the
>>>> air
>>>> moving past the microphone itself (even when you can't feel anything),
>>>> or
>>>> electrical interference from the computer / monitor or something else
>>>> nearby. If it's not always there, it could be someone using power tools
>>>> or
>>>> radio controlled toys in a nearby area, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Helpful Harry
>>>> Now told it will take 4 to 8 days for the Internet provider to fix my
>>>> Mac's
>>>> connection problem ... assuming they are even looking in the correct
>>>> place.
>>>> xo(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>