zx6000 with graphics and HP-UX

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* Dennis Grevenstein:

>> IIRC the c8000 has been off the HP CPL for some time now.
>
> So? A C3750 still works fine with 11iv1.

My over 10 year old E55 works fine with 11i v1, too. Does that mean it
should still be supported by HP?

> Say, somebody bought
> a C8000 to upgrade a 3750, because he has a PA-RISC application.
> How happy do you think he might be when his more recent C8000
> just won't work as expected anymore?

It works as expected as long as he stays with older HP-UX release. If he
needs support he probably would have better get informed before buying a
replacement system. HP has clear EOL dates for hardware and software
support, it's not their fault when people ignore them.

> I know this is not your personal fault, so please don't think
> I blame you. I just think that when HP forces people to move
> to Wintel/Lintel like this, they have one more reason not to
> buy their new generic Intel box from HP.

In fact, it's the customers who force HP to move to x64 as they aren't
willing to pay for the much higher costs of traditional RISC platforms
anymore.

Benjamin

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Dennis Grevenstein wrote:
> Rick Jones wrote:

> >> Why even sell it when people can't upgrade their old systems to the
> >> latest machine when they can't run their old software on the new
> >> system.
> >
> > IIRC the c8000 has been off the HP CPL for some time now.

> So? A C3750 still works fine with 11iv1. Say, somebody bought
> a C8000 to upgrade a 3750, because he has a PA-RISC application.
> How happy do you think he might be when his more recent C8000
> just won't work as expected anymore?

I thought these issues were with 11.23 (11iv2) on the C8000, taking it
to sw bits for which it was never (IIRC) certified. I suspect that
just as the C3750, the C8000 would be perfectly content sitting on
11iv1.

> I know this is not your personal fault, so please don't think
> I blame you. I just think that when HP forces people to move
> to Wintel/Lintel like this, they have one more reason not to
> buy their new generic Intel box from HP.

No problem. I suspect that the biggest difference we have is in how
we sense the phase of cause and effect

rick jones
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Rick Jones wrote:
>
> I thought these issues were with 11.23 (11iv2) on the C8000, taking it
> to sw bits for which it was never (IIRC) certified. I suspect that
> just as the C3750, the C8000 would be perfectly content sitting on
> 11iv1.

Michael said he was running 11.11 on his C8000.

Dennis

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Benjamin Gawert wrote:
>
>>> IIRC the c8000 has been off the HP CPL for some time now.
>>
>> So? A C3750 still works fine with 11iv1.
>
> My over 10 year old E55 works fine with 11i v1, too. Does that mean it
> should still be supported by HP?

No, because the E55 was last supported(tm) in 11.00.
I would expect this box to run 11.00 with latest patches though.

>> Say, somebody bought
>> a C8000 to upgrade a 3750, because he has a PA-RISC application.
>> How happy do you think he might be when his more recent C8000
>> just won't work as expected anymore?
>
> It works as expected as long as he stays with older HP-UX release. If he
> needs support he probably would have better get informed before buying a
> replacement system. HP has clear EOL dates for hardware and software
> support, it's not their fault when people ignore them.

That's what Michael does. He runs 11.11 which doesn't support
his graphics stuff anymore when he applies current patches.
We don't complain that HP doesn't see a market for 11.23 on
PA-RISC workstations or 11.31 on IA64 workstations. We complain
that we run supported configurations and patches break them.

>> I know this is not your personal fault, so please don't think
>> I blame you. I just think that when HP forces people to move
>> to Wintel/Lintel like this, they have one more reason not to
>> buy their new generic Intel box from HP.
>
> In fact, it's the customers who force HP to move to x64 as they aren't
> willing to pay for the much higher costs of traditional RISC platforms
> anymore.

That's another way to see it. If a customer is stupid enough
to buy the product, it's all his own fault, of course.
Next, we should expect HP selling their machines on ebay:
"Privatverkauf ohne Garantie und Gewaehrleistung".
Personally, I think the traditional customer who once bought
HP-UX, expects a little more support and he might be willing
to pay for this too.

Dennis

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Enjoy every minute of it.