Wizard 4GL options

[Database Administrator]

Hello group,


Is this a dead product? No more enhancements or features.

How would I know if the previous programmers when outside of it's
programming shell?

Are there any conversion options out of Wizard if it's a dead product?

Do the owners still sell it? Who are the owners?

thanks,
Peter G.

[Database Administrator]

My gosh Peter, Wizard has been dead for about 15 years.

While there are modern alternatives, I'm unaware of any utilities to
convert from Wizard, or products that allow for a smooth transition.
Unless someone else has a better idea, I think the best thing to do is
to write up a long-term strategic exit plan. The plan should include
itemizing valuable BASIC business rules, and ensuring that dictionary
defs are accurate for all files so that you can migrate the app into
another environment more easily.

Good luck,
T

mdsi2000 wrote:

>Hello group,
>
>
>Is this a dead product? No more enhancements or features.
>
>How would I know if the previous programmers when outside of it's
>programming shell?
>
>Are there any conversion options out of Wizard if it's a dead product?
>
>Do the owners still sell it? Who are the owners?
>
>thanks,
>Peter G.

[Database Administrator]

On Oct 21, 8:07*pm, Tony Gravagno
wrote:
> My gosh Peter, Wizard has been dead for about 15 years.
>
> While there are modern alternatives, I'm unaware of any utilities to
> convert from Wizard, or products that allow for a smooth transition.
> Unless someone else has a better idea, I think the best thing to do is
> to write up a long-term strategic exit plan. *The plan should include
> itemizing valuable BASIC business rules, and ensuring that dictionary
> defs are accurate for all files so that you can migrate the app into
> another environment more easily.
>
> Good luck,
> T
>
>
>
> mdsi2000 *wrote:
> >Hello group,
>
> >Is this a dead product? No more enhancements or features.
>
> >How would I know if the previous programmers when outside of it's
> >programming shell?
>
> >Are there any conversion options out of Wizard if it's a dead product?
>
> >Do the owners still sell it? Who are the owners?
>
> >thanks,
> >Peter G.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Tony,
Thanks for the info on Wizard. I should have known something was wrong
when I didn't get a response from a particilar website in Australia.

Yes, I do have a long term project ahead of me. But my current problem
now is to increase the number of Wizard licences.

thanks,
Peter G.

[Database Administrator]

On Oct 22, 11:42 am, mdsi2000 wrote:
> On Oct 21, 8:07 pm, Tony Gravagno
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > My gosh Peter, Wizard has been dead for about 15 years.
>
> > While there are modern alternatives, I'm unaware of any utilities to
> > convert from Wizard, or products that allow for a smooth transition.
> > Unless someone else has a better idea, I think the best thing to do is
> > to write up a long-term strategic exit plan. The plan should include
> > itemizing valuable BASIC business rules, and ensuring that dictionary
> > defs are accurate for all files so that you can migrate the app into
> > another environment more easily.
>
> > Good luck,
> > T
>
> > mdsi2000 wrote:
> > >Hello group,
>
> > >Is this a dead product? No more enhancements or features.
>
> > >How would I know if the previous programmers when outside of it's
> > >programming shell?
>
> > >Are there any conversion options out of Wizard if it's a dead product?
>
> > >Do the owners still sell it? Who are the owners?
>
Wizard is still alive in Australia. Details are available at
http://www.pickproducts.com.au

Noel
> > >thanks,
> > >Peter G.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Tony,
> Thanks for the info on Wizard. I should have known something was wrong
> when I didn't get a response from a particilar website in Australia.
>
> Yes, I do have a long term project ahead of me. But my current problem
> now is to increase the number of Wizard licences.
>
> thanks,
> Peter G.

[Database Administrator]

On Oct 22, 7:14*pm, Captn Chaos wrote:
> On Oct 22, 11:42 am, mdsi2000 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 8:07 pm, Tony Gravagno
>
> > wrote:
> > > My gosh Peter, Wizard has been dead for about 15 years.
>
> > > While there are modern alternatives, I'm unaware of any utilities to
> > > convert from Wizard, or products that allow for a smooth transition.
> > > Unless someone else has a better idea, I think the best thing to do is
> > > to write up a long-term strategic exit plan. *The plan should include
> > > itemizing valuable BASIC business rules, and ensuring that dictionary
> > > defs are accurate for all files so that you can migrate the app into
> > > another environment more easily.
>
> > > Good luck,
> > > T
>
> > > mdsi2000 *wrote:
> > > >Hello group,
>
> > > >Is this a dead product? No more enhancements or features.
>
> > > >How would I know if the previous programmers when outside of it's
> > > >programming shell?
>
> > > >Are there any conversion options out of Wizard if it's a dead product?
>
> > > >Do the owners still sell it? Who are the owners?
>
> Wizard is still alive in Australia. Details are available athttp://www.pickproducts.com.au
>
> Noel
>
>
Noel,
Yes, I found the website, but the contact information is not working.
I keep getting a Failure Messages after entering a 6 digit code. I
even tried some of the emails, but they bounce back with errors. I'm
not going to call long distance.

Are you associated with them?

Thanks,
Peter G.

[Database Administrator]

Hi
I have spoken to Bob Guthrie a few minutes ago and he should contact you.
He is well known and reliable in the Australian Pick business. Apparently
he bought Wizard from Ken's estate and wrapped up the development
Peter McMurray
"mdsi2000" wrote in message
news:b481a9d0-224d-4e7a-933f-83f36805b71b@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 22, 7:14 pm, Captn Chaos wrote:
> On Oct 22, 11:42 am, mdsi2000 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 8:07 pm, Tony Gravagno
>
> > wrote:
> > > My gosh Peter, Wizard has been dead for about 15 years.
>
> > > While there are modern alternatives, I'm unaware of any utilities to
> > > convert from Wizard, or products that allow for a smooth transition.
> > > Unless someone else has a better idea, I think the best thing to do is
> > > to write up a long-term strategic exit plan. The plan should include
> > > itemizing valuable BASIC business rules, and ensuring that dictionary
> > > defs are accurate for all files so that you can migrate the app into
> > > another environment more easily.
>
> > > Good luck,
> > > T
>
> > > mdsi2000 wrote:
> > > >Hello group,
>
> > > >Is this a dead product? No more enhancements or features.
>
> > > >How would I know if the previous programmers when outside of it's
> > > >programming shell?
>
> > > >Are there any conversion options out of Wizard if it's a dead
> > > >product?
>
> > > >Do the owners still sell it? Who are the owners?
>
> Wizard is still alive in Australia. Details are available
> athttp://www.pickproducts.com.au
>
> Noel
>
>
Noel,
Yes, I found the website, but the contact information is not working.
I keep getting a Failure Messages after entering a 6 digit code. I
even tried some of the emails, but they bounce back with errors. I'm
not going to call long distance.

Are you associated with them?

Thanks,
Peter G.

[Database Administrator]

mdsi2000 wrote:
>On Oct 22, 7:14*pm, Captn Chaos wrote:
>> Wizard is still alive in Australia. Details are available athttp://www.pickproducts.com.au
>> Noel

>Noel,
>Yes, I found the website, but the contact information is not working.
>I keep getting a Failure Messages after entering a 6 digit code. I
>even tried some of the emails, but they bounce back with errors. I'm
>not going to call long distance.
>
>Are you associated with them?
>
>Thanks,
>Peter G.


I stand corrected. It seems General Automation had the rights to
Wizard, then passed them to GAeXpress, who passed them to FusionWare,
who has now passed them on to Pick Products. It's good to know that
sites that have this old software aren't completely stuffed. And it
looks like Pick Products has other interesting offerings as well.

T

[Database Administrator]

On Oct 21, 8:07*pm, Tony Gravagno wrote:
> My gosh Peter, Wizard has been dead for about 15 years.

Actually, it will be twenty years ago next month that Ken Simms, the
author of Wizard and S/BASIC, passed away.

Interestingly, it was 14 years ago this month that Dick Pick passed
away.

More interestingly, Dick's passing occurred on the same day as Henry
Egger's last at Micro-Douglas-Causley-Dyne.

IIRC, he was the last one out of Tower ("Stalag") 17, a fitting day
and person to be the last one to turn the lights out.

Regards,

j.

[Database Administrator]

On Oct 23, 11:15*am, Jon Sisk wrote:
> On Oct 21, 8:07*pm, Tony Gravagno wrote:
>
> > My gosh Peter, Wizard has been dead for about 15 years.
>
> Actually, it will be twenty years ago next month that Ken Simms, the
> author of Wizard and S/BASIC, passed away.
>
> Interestingly, it was 14 years ago this month that Dick Pick passed
> away.
>
> More interestingly, Dick's passing occurred on the same day as Henry
> Egger's last at Micro-Douglas-Causley-Dyne.
>
> IIRC, he was the last one out of Tower ("Stalag") 17, a fitting day
> and person to be the last one to turn the lights out.

And if you see Henry out there in your neck of the woods, pass along a
hi, hello from Dawn, k? Maybe someday he will get back to doin'
email?
cheers! --dawn

> Regards,
>
> j.

[Database Administrator]

On Oct 23, 8:29*am, dawn wrote:
> On Oct 23, 11:15*am, Jon Sisk wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 8:07*pm, Tony Gravagno wrote:
>
> > > My gosh Peter, Wizard has been dead for about 15 years.
>
> > Actually, it will be twenty years ago next month that Ken Simms, the
> > author of Wizard and S/BASIC, passed away.


ACTUALLY, Wizard never died...

There are many of us "Wizard Minions" (trained by Ken) that still have
applications that were written with Wizard 4GL.

I know Steve Lambert is still in business and I have Wizard running on
a GA 1750 that I use all the time.

Ken Simms left Pick a month or two before the first big layoff. I
left Pick a week before the big layoff. Ken went to work for ITS. I
went to ITS. When Steve got caught in the big layoff he came to ITS.

We all worked for ITS Financial Systems in 1977-8. That company for
those with historical interest was a Microdata dealership whose
principals were Gordon Selby and Jack Cory. We wrote a package (in
Wizard) for the loan processing / mortgage banking industry. When
that company defuncted -- Ken formed Automatic Programming and Jack
Cory & I worked for Ken writing various enhancements to Wizard up to
the time Ken died. Wizard was licenced to Adds (called Implementor)
and that's how GA got it. I think it went out bundled with one of
Pick Systems OS versions also.

I am always available for Wizard support in this country or in
neighboring planetary systems.

Love to all,
John Bohner