Re: Palin's been outed

[Database Administrator]

Hi
I wonder where IVF fits in with some of the decisions I see touted here. Is
a frozen embryo that was conceived in a petrie dish considered a life? As
many as 5% of Australian births are brought about this way and the figure is
rising.
Peter McMurray

"Marshall" wrote in message
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> All I ever hear are the same old arguments about abortion. We will
> never solve anything because we all have such different view points on
> when life begins, when is it viable, etc.
>
> As far as viability goes, that's dangerous ground because maybe in my
> belief anyone over the age of 60 is no longer viable therefore should
> be killed. Viability is not truly a proper test for life because it
> can open way too many doors outside of which lie many a slippery slope
> and tons of dominoes.
>
> I can understand the desire for a woman to choose after being raped or
> if her life is in danger because of the pregnancy even if I still do
> not necessarily support it due to my faith choice. But if she had
> consensual sex then that right is no longer hers as she made the
> decision before hand (sort of like a drunk driver hitting and killing
> a person, they made the choice to drink, therefore they are
> responsible for the aftermath). The fact is that if people would quit
> going around and acting like wild animals having sex everytime they
> just think someone is cute, the issue would mostly die away. The real
> problem started when women started using abortion as birth control.
> Don't hire the band if you don't want to hear the music.
>
> Children are fun in the breeding, but hell in the feeding. Get over
> it, act like we have some sense and rise above that animal nature and
> keep our pants on once in a while.
>
> Just my two cents worth of drivel.
>
> Thanks for reading,
>
> Marshall

[Database Administrator]

Peter McMurray wrote:
> Hi
> I wonder where IVF fits in with some of the decisions I see touted
> here. Is a frozen embryo that was conceived in a petrie dish considered
> a life? As many as 5% of Australian births are brought about this way
> and the figure is rising.
> Peter McMurray
Good question. I, for one, never said this was simple or easy. Unless
you are talking about partial-birth abortions. Then it becomes very easy
for me.
Art

[Database Administrator]

Hi Art
I am delighted to see a glimmer of discussion on the point. You will have
no argument from me on late-term where the baby is healthy.
However I am old enough to remember the dreadful problems in the '50s and
'60s and obviously before when saintly doctors like Bertram Wainer finally
stood up and did something about it despite enormous oposition from
religious nutters and corrupt cops. I was particularly impressed that he
insisted on birth control education and counselling as an even better way to
approach the issue. Anyone who does not understand should be aware of the
ignorance of the times, I went out with a young mother of two who did not
know that her periods were associated with conception. Unfortunately this is
the sort of ignorance that some major churches and associated politicians
wish to keep in place.
Peter McMurray

"art" wrote in message
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> Peter McMurray wrote:
>> Hi
>> I wonder where IVF fits in with some of the decisions I see touted here.
>> Is a frozen embryo that was conceived in a petrie dish considered a life?
>> As many as 5% of Australian births are brought about this way and the
>> figure is rising.
>> Peter McMurray
> Good question. I, for one, never said this was simple or easy. Unless you
> are talking about partial-birth abortions. Then it becomes very easy for
> me.
> Art

[Database Administrator]

Peter McMurray wrote:
> Hi Art
> I am delighted to see a glimmer of discussion on the point. You will have
> no argument from me on late-term where the baby is healthy.
> However I am old enough to remember the dreadful problems in the '50s and
> '60s
I still think this has been way over-blown to make a case. Not that it
never happened (the back ally stuff), but calling it the number cause of
death for women of child-bearing age?? Prove it. (It wasn't you that
said this, Peter).

> know that her periods were associated with conception. Unfortunately this is
> the sort of ignorance that some major churches and associated politicians
> wish to keep in place.
I really think this is mis-characterizing things. The issue, I believe,
is teaching that sex is OK, just be smart about it, and have a good
time. I think women *should* know what happens and why. And I think
teaching that abstinence prevents a lot of problems is smart also.
Art